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posted by [personal profile] rozk at 06:20pm on 23/11/2009
As a trans woman who has 1. been raped and 2. been given a bad time by a particular sort of feminist, I can tell you precisely why the two things, though different in terms of possible consequences, feel quite like each other in terms of how they impacted on my emotions. It is because both involved a fundamental refusal to treat me as a human being with agency and desires of my own; it is because both experiences were part of a social ethos which tells me that everything I am, feel and do, is utterly worthless and contemptible. It is because feminists who abuse and exclude other women, including trans women, in the name of their particular perspective on what women might be and are, need to think about whose interests they are serving.

Oh, and they also need to acknowledge that when they quote Janice Raymond, or use her ideas, they are complicit in her accusation that lesbian feminist trans women 'rape all women' by existing. Imagine how that feels when you have actually been raped yourself in the real world; imagine how that feels when you know - or used to know, because this isn't universal the way it was back in the late 70s when I was raped, that you can't go to a rape crisis centre because you aren't welcome there because you're trans and so have to cope with the aftermath of rape by yourself.

And hey! wny anonymous? Show some guts and express your opinions openly, why dontcha? We don't bite.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 01:32am on 24/11/2009
I don't have a Dreamwidth account or an Open ID, which are the only log in options I get when commenting. I'm known as the0lady on LJ and have a blog at http://notazerosumgame.blogspot.com/.

None of the ~20 progressive/feminist blogs I read, UK or US based ones, published anything but the most heartfelt condemnation of Bindel's recent Standpoint article, so the isolation of the trans voice within the (online, at least) feminist community did not strike me as complete. Certainly Feministe, Feministing, Pandagon, Liberal Conspiracy, Penny Red and The F Word are all trans-inclusive. That is what was behind my questions re feeling literally in as much risk of rape/murder among cis feminists as among the general population.

I can see - and condemn - how figures like Bindel make trans women (and possibly trans men who wish to retain their feminist associations) feel unwelcome, rejected, betrayed by people who should know better, cast out of a fold they rightly think they belong to; but I was struggling to translate that into being literally in fear for one's life.

Enough people on this thread have asserted that it is, in fact, functionally the same, for me to conclude that there is experience that my cis privilege blinds me to at work here, so I'm going to withdraw from the thread now.
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posted by [personal profile] auntysarah at 01:41am on 24/11/2009
We'll have to agree to disagree on the Feministing point at least - some of the most vile transphobia I've had the misfortune to encounter recently has come from there.

Anyway, thank you for this bit:

Enough people on this thread have asserted that it is, in fact, functionally the same, for me to conclude that there is experience that my cis privilege blinds me to at work here, so I'm going to withdraw from the thread now.

...it's as appreciated as it is unexpected (and I mean that in a good way).

By the way, if you're on LJ, you have an openid - it's just the address of your Livejournal.
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posted by [personal profile] rozk at 08:23am on 24/11/2009
I for one felt pretty unwelcome on Feministing when there was the thread the other week in which it was taken for granted by a lot of the cis commentators that trans people had an absolute duty to disclose their history before sex or be morally guilty of rape. Yes, there are more trans positive feminists than there were back in the 70s and 80s - but there is still a tendency to regard the Raymond/Bindel/Greer line on trans as a legitimate current within feminist thought - a position like vegetarianism, say - rather than as the equivalent of racism.

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